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Philosophy bear's avatar

This is broadly in line with my impressions. There is real rot here, but Lindsay et al. have somewhat exaggerated the problem.

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Ricky's avatar

I appreciate the reminder not to reflexively write off articles with silly-sounding conclusions, and I like the attempt at coming up with an impartial experiment. But I think you're downplaying how bad the Grievance hoax articles are. This is from the dog park one:

> There are many ways to define and conceptualize oppression. In the context of this work, I’ll borrow from Taylor’s definition which has gained considerable traction, ‘What it means to occupy a public space in non-normative ways’ (Taylor 2013)... on Taylor’s definition, raped female dogs were not oppressed because rape was normative at dog parks. This raises interesting and highly problematic issues as to the agency of female dogs in particular spaces as well as with intrinsic victim blaming in female dogs which obviously extends into the analogous circumstance under (human) rape cultures within rape-condoning spaces. Simply put, rape is normative in rape cultures and overtly permissible in rape-condoning spaces, and therefore (human and canine) victims of rape suffer the injustice of not being seen as victimized by so much as complicit in having been sexually assaulted, which can even extend to the feminist researcher herself (cf. De Craene 2017).

To point out just two problems with this passage:

1) Their definition of oppression doesn't seem reasonable in the context that they're using it, and they never try to justify it. Because it is such a narrow definition of oppression, they're able to conclude that raping female dogs is not a form of oppression.

2) The writing just seems obfuscatory. For instance, I cannot figure out what the phrase "which can even extend to the feminist researcher herself" means in this context. Or what the "agency of female dog" thing means.

In contrast, I think the JCI articles (what I've read of them, at least) are way more well-written. They try to address foundational concerns that a reader would have, unlike the dog park article, which never even addresses the fact that dogs have entirely different psychologies than humans and can probably not even conceive of the "injustice of not being seen as victimized by so much as complicit in having been sexually assaulted."

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