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Amicus's avatar

"We don’t really care that much about our hedonic states in sleep. It doesn’t seem worth compromising on the goods and projects of waking life so as to avoid the ordinary unpleasantness of dreams."

Except of course that people with particularly severe nightmares (or particularly good nightmare-memories) often do exactly this by putting off sleep - and it doesn't even work that well. Whether Schwitzgebel's argument goes through or not, I am skeptical his premises are true.

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I’m coming into this discussion missing some broader context, but what moral value are you proposing to ascribe to dreams, exactly? This is so far removed from my own world view, where the concept of moral value seems so obviously disconnected from dreams. I suspect there’s a single missing piece you could provide which would help your argument make sense to me.

The people in Groundhogs Day have moral worth because they have experiences and consciousness. The fact that this resets at the end of the day complicates things but doesn’t negate the fact that they are conscious (in the “have qualia” sense of the term).

What’s the equivalent here for dreams? What exactly does “moral worth” mean here? If, presumably, I don’t care about my own dream state, and it affects no one else but me, why are we talking about morality at all?

Now, if you’re saying that putting in effort to improve the quality of your dreams is a worthwhile pursuit, I very much agree. But self improvement is very different from morality, even if they can be related at times.

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